A_ROOKIE
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Post by A_ROOKIE on Mar 12, 2007 17:06:25 GMT -5
A picture is worth a thousand words. > The Honda rider was traveling at such a "very high speed", his reaction time was not sufficient enough to avoid this accident. Swedish Police estimate a speed of ~250 KM/h (155mph) before the bike hit the slow moving car side-on at an intersection. At that speed, they predicted that the rider's reaction time (once the vehicle came into view) wasn't sufficient enough for him to even apply the brakes. The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them. The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 10 feet from where the collision took place. > > All three involved (two in car and rider) were killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at the Stockholm Motorcycle Fair by the Swedish Police and Road Safety Department. The sign above the display also noted that the rider had only recently obtained his license. > At 250 KM (155 mph) the operator is traveling at 227 feet per second. With normal reaction time to SEE-DECIDE-REACT of 1.6 seconds the above operator would have traveled over 363 feet while making a decision on what actions to take. In this incident the Swedish police indicate that no actions were taken    
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Post by Nutman on Mar 12, 2007 17:58:12 GMT -5
Unfreakingbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Lamron on Mar 12, 2007 19:40:33 GMT -5
By far the worst I've ever seen.
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Post by Woody on Mar 13, 2007 8:28:41 GMT -5
100 coolness points for anyone that can guess how the speed was likely estimated (and no, not from a witness)...hint: probably one of 2 ways and it has to do with the damage (there was no skid marks to use)
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Post by Lamron on Mar 13, 2007 9:26:05 GMT -5
Maybe its a recreation? That can't be the way it looked when it was towed/dragged away from the scene. They would have had to completely cut it apart to remove the three bodies and there probably would have been quite a bit of blood splashed around.
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a Silly Person
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Post by a Silly Person on Mar 13, 2007 14:03:47 GMT -5
...and maybe, the bodies are still in the car?
Has anyone checked the glove-compartment?
That is an amazing set of photos!
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Post by a Silly Person on Mar 13, 2007 14:10:09 GMT -5
Regarding Woody's question below:
"100 coolness points for anyone that can guess how the speed was likely estimated (and no, not from a witness)...hint: probably one of 2 ways and it has to do with the damage (there was no skid marks to use)"
I would guess that they could have figured out the speed of the impact by measuring the distance the the cycle-riders helmet flew after the crash. (Or other parts of the rider.)
Am I close? Not that I need "coolness points" lol
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Death's Shadow
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Post by Death's Shadow on Mar 13, 2007 16:18:24 GMT -5
mmmm does the speedometer on the crotch rocket have a tattle tale on it (push button reset so you can see the fastest speed you went) or i bet maybe they have some egg heads that did the physics from the damage to figure out force vectors and mass to get the answer. (lol i have no clue)
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Post by RedRock on Mar 13, 2007 16:38:38 GMT -5
Look at the first picture (angle of the roof) and the third picture (door missing, driver's seat mangled, pushed to driver's side from the REAR of the driver's seat, and leaning way out the door to the driver's side) and the fourth picture (bike entered from passenger side), and if the driver's seat and door damages/movements were not done by EMS responders, then it appears likely to me that the story is not being reported correctly, that the impact likely pushed both front seat occupants out the driver's side door before the car rolled over toward the driver's side, rather than staying within the vehicle; if the door was also knocked off or widely open, then the biker likely also came out of the vehicle while it was rolling over (and probably over again, more than once). It would be interesting to see the actual police report or EMS report on this one.
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Post by daffy_duck on Mar 18, 2007 19:32:23 GMT -5
ok.... ok...... ok..... i couldn't find a parking spot sooooo.... and the owner of the car wasn't happy with my choice.
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A_ROOKIE
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Post by A_ROOKIE on Mar 18, 2007 20:02:44 GMT -5
on the right side of the car, on the rocker panel. Has the car been cut in two there or is that where the bike ran though it?
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Woody
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Post by Woody on Mar 19, 2007 13:33:06 GMT -5
It has been cut by the "jaws of life". Speed would have been figured out using a "crush" formula, so force vector is on the right track(50 points). It will give a rough minimum speed however so the bike was likely going faster than the quoted speed. Another thing collision investigators will look for is a speedometer tap. In a traditional speedometer the needle sometimes "taps" the glass covering leaving a tiny mark indicating a speed at impact. The speedometer can also remain in place and slowly decreases to zero. That is why investigators will look at the speedometer immediately at scene. It is not enough evidence alone however, it requires corroboration via calculations. It looks to me that the bike has been placed back in the car and I don't see how the rider ended up in the car. The rider should have been sent into space and waved to the space station while enroute to Mars.
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Post by Death's Shadow on Mar 19, 2007 15:11:40 GMT -5
ohhh yea whooot whooot. I get the coolness points ( half anyway and i think another quarter on the speedomerter thing i was darn close) hehehe
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Post by Marauder(CDN) on Mar 21, 2007 18:04:26 GMT -5
 you thought the bike/car was bad....I have several pictures of this but the rest are a little to graphic to post. There was someone driving this car..and he looked in remarkably good shape except he had one small issue...his legs were under the dash (not crushed) and his torso was in what might be called the hatch area.
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Post by AIGAD on Mar 21, 2007 18:32:48 GMT -5
Damn! How does one end up like that? Was he trying to pass another vehicle at the time?
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