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Post by Garp {eng} on Jun 24, 2006 2:03:57 GMT -5
I know in the usa you have people readly carring guns, here we don't but at the moment the current news is that we are starting to have a knife carring culture.
The goverment is cracking down on this and more tougher sentances are being imposed for those carring knives. Now you may say that its right to do so for your protection??, but you must realise that 90% of those carring these knives (and we talk knives in the sence of hunting up to samuri) are between 8 and 16 years old, only the other day another young person (girl) was stabbed for the fun of it.
Any blade over 2 inchs is now banned here (if not got a reason to carry it, work ect)
I wonder what you over the pond think of carring knives (remember we are talking butterfly, samuri, rambo style, flick, stelletoe)
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Post by Lamron on Jun 24, 2006 3:08:17 GMT -5
It illustrates that guns have nothing to do with violence. Before guns were invented, people murdered each other with no problem. If they're hard to get, people will just use knives. If they can't get knives, they'll beat each other with bats, if they can't get bats, they'll use big rocks. Are we going to ban rocks? Bare hands and kicking are still the most common weapons used.
The only real difference between them is that the more primitive the weapon, the more strength/skill it requires to use it. A man almost always has the advantage over a woman. Multiple attackers always have the advantage over the lone victim.
What we consider the modern, civilized society of developed countries is based on the premise that all citizens are theoretically of equal value. This is a huge departure from the mindset held by most of the world throughout history (and in many places today). The powerful ruled the weaker. Persons with special skills valuable to the powerful were able to trade their skills for protection. The rich could hire strong men to do their will. While only a minority benefit from this arrangement, the weaker had no recourse.
Enter "modern" weapons, such as those developed in the last ~300 years. Suddenly, a teen-aged girl could kill an armored horseman. It was only with this development that it was possible to start the shift towards the idea of personal value being based on something other than power/strength.
Of course, those who wish to control or harm others have guns too, but the strong+gun does not automatically have any advantage over the weak+gun. Only with this leveled playing field is it possible for individuals to control the course of their lives, and for governments to be formed based on democracy. Democracies (or Representative Republics) have to start with the idea that each citizen has a partial say in how they are ruled, regardless of their physical ability to assert their will. The government also has to be constantly reminded that the citizens have the means to throw off that government if it becomes oppressive.
Attempts to disarm citizens can have nothing but disastrous results. That society does not simply revert back to the old oppressive (but somewhat stable) ways of stronger over weaker. Weapons can not be uninvented. Neither can they be confiscated at anything approaching 100% levels. When the stronger ruled the weaker, some of the stronger were good men. Groups of good men could stand in defense of the weaker against the tyranny of evil. By disarming the good ("law abiding citizens"), while leaving the evil ("criminals") with all the weapons, we have this new state of affairs in which the weak evil man can conquer the strong good man.
We have heard that "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Denying good men the tools/ability to do anything has the same result.
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Post by Garp {eng} on Jun 24, 2006 6:25:19 GMT -5
WOW, well said Lam, did not think of it like that.
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Post by BAT*21{usa} on Jun 24, 2006 7:40:08 GMT -5
we have knife laws here but as with guns "outlaw knifes and only outlaws will have knifes".. if someone is going 2 commit a crime the weapons charge is the minor of their worries. as 4 the kids if parents stop blaming music & video games4 kids behavior & instill the values early & put some time & effort into the raising their children things would be a bit different.i realize it's hard 4 single parents but it's possible.
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Post by desmo2 on Jun 24, 2006 8:10:16 GMT -5
Very intellectually written, Lamron.
I think I'm going to vote for you as a write-in for president. Who's with me?
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Post by BAT*21{usa} on Jun 24, 2006 9:31:09 GMT -5
got my vote ;D lol
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Post by RedRock on Jun 24, 2006 13:09:01 GMT -5
Shoot, why not some position where he can actually get some good done, such as Governor of IN?
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Post by Garp {eng} on Jun 25, 2006 2:16:03 GMT -5
Bat You are right in saying its down to the Parents, but in todays PC world (here anyway) you can't even shout at them without being reported for verbel abuse and have the Lib twits punishing you for trying to instill morels in your own children. Knife culture here may end if the punishment fits, but here a 16 year old can stab another and get a telling off and put on pro for a month?? big deal thats like allowing a crim to commit 10 acts before anything is done! we teach them that don't we?
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Post by BAT*21{usa} on Jun 25, 2006 6:56:03 GMT -5
you r right. the liberals say they were misunderstood or underprivileged .the boys that did the COLUMBINE shootings were rich kids 1 of them had a new BMW.here in some instances minors can b charged as adults.some think this is wrong . but if a 16 year old walks up 2 someone & points a gun & pulls or pulls a blade & stabs someone . they did it on purpose & they know its wrong and should b
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Post by Lamron on Jun 25, 2006 9:20:00 GMT -5
If you're old enough to commit the crime, then you're old enough to be held responsible for it.
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Post by BAT*21{usa} on Jun 27, 2006 5:42:37 GMT -5
you r right. the liberals say they were misunderstood or underprivileged .the boys that did the COLUMBINE shootings were rich kids 1 of them had a new BMW.here in some instances minors can b charged as adults.some think this is wrong . but if a 16 year old walks up 2 someone & points a gun & pulls or pulls a blade & stabs someone . they did it on purpose & they know its wrong and should b GARP,wasnt sure if u have heard of COLUMBINE it is a town in COLORADO where a group of high school boys that had call themselves the TRENCH COAT MAFIA had gone 2 their high school with weapons & opened fire ,killing & wounding several students& teachers b 4 killing themselves
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