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Post by vinsanity on Feb 2, 2008 21:27:21 GMT -5
I am not opposed to gays hooking up if they want too.. what I am opposed to is the government making laws that say the rest of us have to accept them, and not speak out against them if we wish too. [ b]No law can make you accept anyone. But to offer them the same rights as all other Americans seems the only right thing to do. After all, they aren't goiong anywhere - they have always been here and they always will be. The bias against them seems little different to me than the race biases ro gender biases.[/b][/color] I am VERY opposed to abortion, for the obvious reasons. I agree that abortion is wrong and it is not something that I personally would condone (other than in cases of incest or rape). I respect the right for the woman who has to carry that child, and theoretically rear it, to choose not to have it. It is not my business, nor that of the government, to decide this issue for the individual who has to live with the decision.expiration dates would be a good thing if they did not go to far.. the core constitution should remain the base. TRUE!!!what we as a people need to do is stand up and make ourselves heard. This is supposed to be a government of the people by the people. Not size the power and screw the people. We need to go back to a majority popular vote. We need to combat corruption and make the penalties to our elected officials so sever they will not be tempted. Our elected officials should be expected to live by the same rule of law as we do. The popular vote would be ideal but I do not see it happening. As an individual I do what I can in my community. I attend civic meetings, planning and zoning meetings (when I can). But those we elect really dont give a frogs water tight butt about what we say. My officials coddle me and thank me for my input, but they dont listen. And I call them out on it from time to time. It seems hopeless so most people wont even take the time to make an effort. Sad really. Just my rant on the topic.. Laters[/quote] |
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Post by Death's Shadow on Feb 3, 2008 0:46:03 GMT -5
when the govt. wants to pass new hate crimes bills, that state you can be arrested for a hate crime by speaking your opinion on opposing gays, then they are in effect forcing you to accept them into society.
I feel that abortion is only acceptable if the mothers life is at risk. Other than that (with the exception to incest or rape) the chance of pregnancy and life changes is the risk the parents took when the child was being conceived. If the mother or father does not want the child there are long waiting list of people that want to adopt.
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when they do not listen to the people it is time to vote them out.. or other measures that may be in place to remove them from office.. (as they did in California for the governor).
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Post by vinsanity on Feb 3, 2008 2:22:39 GMT -5
I am unaware of anyone being arrested for voicing their dislike of homosexuals as a hate crime. Now... publicly calling for their murder or other harm can be viewed as a hate crime, just as if the speech was directed at any "group." I do not for a second feel that the hate crime legfislation prevents anyone from their right to free speech.
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Post by Sgt_Blueberry on Feb 3, 2008 9:01:49 GMT -5
Yesterday I watched Cspan and viewed Huckabee giving a speech. He said his finest hour of being president will be when he nails the going out of business sign on the IRS.....LOL He also said that we should have a fair tax. He further explained that this fair tax would be for everyone....even the prositutes and drug dealer.......Really now....would some one explain to me how he expects drug runners to report their income so they can be taxed as well.....??
Shutting down the IRS and taxing the underground criminal....I wonder if he knew what he said?
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Post by Lamron on Feb 3, 2008 9:33:24 GMT -5
Fair Tax is actually a pretty decent idea. What he's talking about is eliminating income taxes (and all the hassle/expense that comes with collecting them), and instead having a national sales tax. So you only pay taxes when you buy something, not on money you save or use to pay bills. The prostitutes and drug dealers comment is refering to the fact that when you go out and buy stuff with your ill-gotten gains, you can't avoid paying the tax at the store. Here's his explanation: www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=5 |
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Post by Sgt_Blueberry on Feb 3, 2008 10:02:16 GMT -5
I understand now.....and I like the idea. Why hasn't this guy had more press?
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Post by Death's Shadow on Feb 3, 2008 10:52:48 GMT -5
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Post by Death's Shadow on Feb 3, 2008 10:59:08 GMT -5
I am also for the death of the IRS. A national sales tax would work better anyway.. As long as they are not putting it above 3-5 %.
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Post by vinsanity on Feb 3, 2008 11:39:23 GMT -5
I am also for the death of the IRS. A national sales tax would work better anyway.. As long as they are not putting it above 3-5 %. I agree 110%. The coffers would be taking in FAR more than they are with the current system and all would be taxed equally based on spending. |
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Post by vinsanity on Feb 3, 2008 11:41:32 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying. But the laws on the books do not restrict your ability to vice opinions against anything. The difference is the hate aspect. |
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Post by Death's Shadow on Feb 3, 2008 12:54:10 GMT -5
Exactly my point Vin.. The laws we have in place are sufficiant. We do not need more laws restricting us on this issue.
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Post by RedRock on Feb 3, 2008 14:11:36 GMT -5
I liked Duncan Hunter, until he sided with the way-too-liberal Huckabee. If it is McCain vs. anyone, I don't know what I will do. I can't support that false conservative McCain, but I don't want Hillary in, and I don't want in office another radical socialist, and probable muslim, with no real experience to boot. Yet, as Rush says, it's probably best for conservatism if the train wreck that will be the US after 4 years of any 3 of those is in office has been presided over by a Democrat, because then the backlash will bring conservatism back to power, as it did after the term of the stupidest and weakest president in history, Jimmy Carter.
And frankly, I am thoroughly sickened by the Dems and the liberal mainstream media trying to tell us conservatives who our candidate should be, and what characteristics he should have, so that they can be instrumental in mangling conservatism and the US way of life.
As for racism, I've lived up North and in the South, and racism is definitely worse up North, but like many things supported by the liberal mainstream media, the pc idea is put across that the South is where racism is King and that the mighty liberal North is the place of all goodness and enlightenment.
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Post by vinsanity on Feb 3, 2008 16:40:50 GMT -5
Not to argue with you Red... but I am from where you now live. Racism in Jax is not as bad as most of the south. Racism is alive and well in Jax, but for the real hatred you really must go through rural GA, TN, MS, AL, and most of FL. I add FL bercause if the northerners are worse, FL must be bad as so many of them have moved down south.
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Post by RedRock on Feb 4, 2008 14:50:31 GMT -5
No, I don't buy it at all, Vinnie. By what measure are you able to say that racism is worse in rural SE areas than elsewhere? Because, as you drive down the rural routes, you think you see whites living in larger, better houses and driving bigger, shinier cars, and blacks living in small, rundown houses and driving old, rusting junkers? As opposed to driving through any northern big city suburbs and its downtown/hood areas?
No, I don't believe racism continues today in modern USA society to any significant extent. That's just a pc view, without substantiation.
Certainly, there are individuals and pockets of areas where that tendency is more prevalent, but not in general in the south or anywhere.
Instead of racism, we should be talking about institutionalized and politically-correct cultural suicide, the result of 40+ years of liberal theory in action (with other people's money)--don't try to get educated, don't try to succeed, don't try to do anything on your own, don't worry about the sanctity of marriage, don't try to take care of your body, don't try to raise your kids right, don't take responsibility for your actions, and don't let anyone tell you what's right and wrong, etc., because "the government" and "those rich folks who have won life's lottery" "owe it" to us to take care of us and our kids and their kids' kids, from the womb to the tomb, without any "judgmental" intervention.
If anything, unconstitutional reverse racism (favoritism to minorities) is instead the rule today.
PS, check out the history of the KKK in Indiana in the first half of the 20th century--far stronger and more active than ever in the South.
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Post by vinsanity on Feb 4, 2008 16:12:56 GMT -5
No, I don't buy it at all, Vinnie. By what measure are you able to say that racism is worse in rural SE areas than elsewhere? Because, as you drive down the rural routes, you think you see whites living in larger, better houses and driving bigger, shinier cars, and blacks living in small, rundown houses and driving old, rusting junkers? As opposed to driving through any northern big city suburbs and its downtown/hood areas? Racism has NOTHING to do with what type of car you drive or what type of home you live in. I fail to see the point you are trying to make. Can you clarify?No, I don't believe racism continues today in modern USA society to any significant extent. That's just a pc view, without substantiation.
What??? racism is gone in America? When did that happen??? IMHO anyone who honestly believes that racism is gone in America is living with blinders on. Instead of racism, we should be talking about institutionalized and politically-correct cultural suicide, the result of 40+ years of liberal theory in action (with other people's money)--don't try to get educated, don't try to succeed, don't try to do anything on your own, don't worry about the sanctity of marriage, don't try to take care of your body, don't try to raise your kids right, don't take responsibility for your actions, and don't let anyone tell you what's right and wrong, etc., because "the government" and "those rich folks who have won life's lottery" "owe it" to us to take care of us and our kids and their kids' kids, from the womb to the tomb, without any "judgmental" intervention. I agree with you on this issue. People should do that which is correct fiscally and otherwise. The problem is that some people are just lazy and there is no fix for that. This has nothing to do with race either as their are a great many white trash lazy people in my town. They would rather live off the welfare than work. If anything, unconstitutional reverse racism (favoritism to minorities) is instead the rule today. PS, check out the history of the KKK in Indiana in the first half of the 20th century--far stronger and more active than ever in the South. The KKK was founded in Pulaski, TN (Giles county.) I have no doubt that there have been (and currently are) large northern "branches" of the KKK, WAR, Aryan Nation, and other racist groups. But being from a large family whose roots are northern on mom's side and southern on dad's side, my experiences have shown me that southerners are far more racist. Or at least they are far more open in their racism.[/quote] [/b] |
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