Every Day Carry Gear

[Death's Shadow]

wow cant even carry a pocket knife in England? That sux.

[a Silly Person]

What kind of fine are we looking at for secretly concealing a NAIL-SET?!?

I am amazed that everyone of you don't become black-belts so you can somewhat protect yourselves from thugs. Even if you were to have a capable cop at every single street corner for your protection, your government is basically turning your citizens into a bunch of sheep.

When societies crash and government no longer works for us as it should, and it does happen on occasion, it will be the multi-talented persons who survive. The survival statistics will be higher for those who know how to feed themselves by using hunting tools, create their own habitats by using building tools and defend themselves by using the very short and very blunt NAIL SET.

Good luck Garp, and the rest of us too as we continually watch our governments grow beyond their purpose to serve us, and are now dictating what is good for us and what is not.

[Death's Shadow]

Amen too all of that Silly.

[Garp {eng}]

Oh on this count I agree with you, I do carry but I can hide the fact that I carry for protection because its a fundamental tool for for my trade, the nail set may or may not contain a "Stabbing" implement, you more likly get a warning for that.

well we don't have agreat deal of that sort of crime here, even though you see it in the news its still rare, mostly between gangs and thats no loss :-)
If we have ashooting here its front page news for weeks, the last shooting we had in this town was 3 years ago and that was some old shotgun and a drunk idiot that was taken down by a passing car, now thats a weapon.

I for one would welcome the abilty to carry a gun but only a gun not a rifle or machine gun, maybe a glock I like those, but I still worrie about that, what if it was made law like you have and anyone had the right to carry? would guns get into the hands of drunk idiots and unstable people? not to say crims and terrorists??

But don't you threat I can take care of me and mine, the gun clubs just down the road with a nice up and under in my lock box :-)

[Garp {eng}]

Mar 15, 2009 12:37:19 GMT -5 a Silly Person said:

I am amazed that everyone of you don't become black-belts so you can somewhat protect yourselves from thugs. Even if you were to have a capable cop at every single street corner for your protection, your government is basically turning your citizens into a bunch of sheep.

Oh don't worrie some of these sheep are rams with sharpened horns :-)

[Garp {eng}]

Ok staying on this topic of goverments telling us wots wot ( and I do not usaly go into politics as it always breaks down to threats but....) Here in the UK if you are out in public and you get heard or seen to say the "N" word or "P" word you can be arrested and charged with abuse? also you can not in anyway discriminate against anyone that is a ethnic minority? now you may say "And?" well I mean discriminate by means of not offering them a job if applied for even if they are appling for a drivers job and can't drive? you can get done for that?
How about not being able to object to a gathering of people brandishing plackards of hate, things like "kill all whites" and "kill the priminster" you get the picture, if you take offence to this and do the same to them you will be arested and sent to court for racial harrasment and could get prison??

I bet in america if you openly threatend your Pres (putting aside you may not like him) with death you would be banged up pretty sharpish!

So when the american people moan about how there libertys are being taken away just think that even if you lose 50% of them you still have 1000% more liberty than us :-) rant number two over :-)

[Death's Shadow]

I agree all that is BS and I am sorry you have too live with those laws. What we are moaning about is we don't want our govt to end up that way. We don't want to end up with those laws. We are desperately trying to stop it before it begins.

We fought the Revolutionary war to escape tyrannical rule. (no offense)

Yes a direct death threat to the president would result in some sever actions. However if you were to say "In my opinion I wish Obama would die." Then there is nothing they can do, because it is freedom of speech.

[a Silly Person]

ALRIGHT!

I think we had a great discussion and many of us were able to vent much of that pent up frustration in this session. We accomplished promising progress toward repairing our mental stabilities during these trying times.

Same time, same place one month from now? Good.

Now let's go play with Lamron's new toys!!!

;D

[Garp {eng}]

Ouch!

[a Silly Person]

I was just trying to make light of it all. We are all part of the same therapy group, the human race.

[RedRock]

Mar 16, 2009 6:32:28 GMT -5 Garp {eng} said:

But don't you threat I can take care of me and mine, the gun clubs just down the road with a nice up and under in my lock box :-)

I can see it now, same situation, two continents apart:

Brit Homeowner: "Uh, excuse me, Mr. Home-Invader Murdering-Rapist Drugged-Up Multiple-Dangerous-Legal-Home-Items-Welding Crazy-Person, would you mind holding off your attack just a wee bit, and leave the missus and wee bairns be and stay right there, while I get up and go down to the gun club down the road (gee, I hope it's open) and get my nice up and under in my lock box (gee, hope I don't forget where I put my key) and find my ammunition (gee, I still hope I have a shell or two of my government-limited supply) and load it up and come back here and....oh wait, oh dear, sorry, I can't take it off the gun club property or shoot anything but targets and clay pigeons, against the law and all, you know. So, uhm, would you be so kind as to hold off your attack...blah blah blah... and accompany me to the gun club down the road...blah blah blah...up and under....blah blah blah...and load it up and sort of move in front of the barrel as I shoot at targets or clay pigeons? No? Oh, dear!" (subsequent horrifying sounds edited out).

American Homeowner: "What the....?!?!?! BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM!!!" "Dear, what is it?" "Nothing, honey, just putting out the trash, go back to sleep." "Uhm, OK, shoot him again, will you, and can I have whatever money he's carrying?" "Yes, Dear, now go back to sleep, I have to clean my pistols."

;D

[Garp {eng}]

LOL Redrock thats what I love about you yanks.
Mind you the chances are that a burgler or bad guy entering our house is armed with a gun a very very slim, and even if they get passed boots (our dog) I do have other armements :-) just don't blab :-)
But I do see and take your point, I do wish I could have a gun in the house for protection but still against the general carring of them outside or owned in house buy people that could be unstable.

[RedRock]

Yeah, Garp, I know it's unlikely your intruder would have a gun, so that's why I said "multiple legal home items"--I wouldn't want to fend off a cricket bat, golf club, rolling pin, tire jack, chef's knife, etc. with just my bare hands, so a handgun or shotgun or assault rifle or flame thrower (down boy, easy there!...ok, not a flame thrower... ) would be justified to put down such an assault.

But why is it that people say, "It'd be nice to carry a gun, and I'd be no problem with it, BUT ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE would be a menace and danger to carry a gun" They're just like you and me, for the most part, and for the vast majority would be just fine and safe and trustworthy carrying a gun, just as I and you are/would be, to carry a gun. Yes, "we're OK" but we don't trust anyone else. That's a little sad.

I have worked as a Coroner/Medical Examiner in 4 states that allow carry-conceal weapons, and I can say that I've never had a shooting death case that was caused by, precipitated by, or aggravated by someone known to be carrying a gun legally. The closest I've seen to that was some guy that did go bonkers, and when police stopped him for speeding, he for unknown reasons pulled his legally carried hidden pistol and tried to shoot police, but they got him without a scratch to themselves! There are instead many many street corner and home invasion deaths, both of attacker and attackees, with guns both legally and illegally owned, and there are many criminal shootings with illegal guns and by illegal people, but again, the percentage of such incidents BY law-abiding decent people (most people) is extremely low and really almost ZERO.

And I've sure seen lots of stabbings, cuttings, beatings, strangulations, and even intentional car-pedestrian deaths, with NO GUN IN SIGHT OR INVOLVED.

So, that's all.

[Urumii-Previously ThePresident]

The people who are committing crimes with guns are getting them illegally on the street anyways. Why go to a gun shop, fill out the paperwork, go through the training, wait for the background check and pay double/triple for it. Much easier to just go to a bus stop, find a suspicious lookin dude and ask him for one. And I bet if there are statistics on this, they will find a very large percentage (I would guess close to 100%) of people getting these guns illegally. I'll take the risk of my neighbor MAYBE, possibly, highly doubtfully, killing me, over being mugged, beat up, car jacked, etc any day.

[Death's Shadow]

Gun control and the denial of a Govt. to let the people arm themselves is just a form of control. If the people are not armed, the govt can and will do what ever it wants, with no fear of an armed population demanding their freedom, and rights.