Told you!!!! IBM confirms Macs are LESS expensive than PC's

[RedRock]

Read it and weep, you Windows weenies.

Debate over: IBM confirms that Macs are $535 LESS expensive than PCs

www.jamf.com/blog/debate-over-ibm-confirms-that-macs-are-535-less-expensive-than-pcs/

Not to mention better looking, more dependable, and gosh darn it, just more fun to use.

[Lamron]

Even in large bulk, there is no way I'm going to believe that MAC is selling them laptops at $132 each. Now assuming that is just an error in the article or bad writing, I can imagine that there are specific situations where the MAC computers would have an overall lower cost for a company. Since Apple controls all the software and hardware, it is much easier for them to test and certify which combinations work, leading to less IT costs and downtime. Of course, Apple makes up the difference on the other end by making money on all the software and apps. Not that there is anything at all wrong with that business model.

For a home desktop computer user like myself, a PC is still better. I can build a more powerful (and upgrade friendly) computer for cheaper than I can buy a MAC. And with a wider array of software sources, and hardware manufacturers, I find it easier and cheaper to make it do what I want. This is perhaps becoming less true as the MAC market grows and more aftermarket manufacturers are making compatible products.

If Apple offers a product/service that does exactly what you want it to do, its probably a good option for you. If you want the freedom to do something unusual (and don't mind the effort), you should be looking at PC or Android products.

[Lamron]

[RedRock]

I read the article quickly. I think they were cost-averaging over ? 4 years, mac vs pc, including the IT upkeep and problem fixing, etc., and the Mac clearly was cheaper per unit, $532 a unit. The workers preferred the Macs, too. I know any individual going out right now to buy a computer sees a PC at $400 and Macs ?2.5-3x that and lets his thinking end there. I'm currently running Mac for my home needs (email, tax returns, spreadsheet and word processing, internet surfing, photos, some games, and music) and Windows 7 Pro OFF THE MAC USING BOOTCAMP for Dragon Naturally Speaking, COD:UO, and COD 4. I don't have to run Windows for COD 4, but until recently the Mac OS I used didn't run COD4 but did run COD:UO, but now the Mac OS won't run COD:UO so I've just been doing both games through Win7. It does NOT run as well as on the Mac side, either one, but Dragon is much much better on the Win side than the Mac side (although I just got the latest Dragon for Mac, and have to load it and try it), plus my wireless connection on Mac is much better than the Win adapter--which keeps losing the WiFi signal and Win7 has to problem-shoot and reset the adapter. Found the article interesting though, espcially as it's IBM saying it. I hope I don't wake up tomorrow to find that it's an Onion article.

[Lamron]

LOL, not an Onion article I'm sure. It was only a tiny bit biased. The fact that it is IBM of all companies is impressive. Fanboys can argue all they want, but clearly the consumer sees advantages to both and would prefer having the flexibility to switch back and forth as needed (like you do). I'm sure the MAC and PC parts are all made right next to each other in the same factory somewhere, so there probably isn't any real difference in hardware quality. The corporate world is different, of course. Its obviously advantageous to have everyone using the same thing, especially since many workers aren't "computer people" and just want the simplest setup possible.

[Death's Shadow]

To each their own. I myself am still a pc guy. Just built a new pc back in October. Win 10 64 pro, 8 core AMD 4.0 GHz cpu 32 gigs of ram M.2 SSD for windows, and platter drives for everything else. R7 vid card. All for about $350. Could not be happier. It games extremely well and preforms all tasks that I demand of it with no issues.

[Lamron]

Where did you get all that for only $350?

[Death's Shadow]

waited for sales and bought it piece by piece. The vid card case and platter drives I already had.

[RedRock]

I play COD4 online on my Mac OS--smooth, no problems, except I can't get into servers with PunkBuster (except when using my Laptop--I'm guessing I just need to re-install the app on my desktop machine). I play COD4 on Windows using Bootcamp and Win7Pro--ughh--Windows key gets activated for no reason at worst times, and I get lots of CI's every evening (usually, local network adapter fail, or something like that, and Windows has to reset it--hardwired, not wireless--or something about my IP is not a valid address, even though it was for the entire previous hours I had been playing), so it's very frustrating trying to finish a game or scrim online with Windows. It's just not reliable. So the whole thing could be free, and it'd still be crap. You get what you pay for, is how it's always seemed to me. And still does.

[RedRock]

Apple's not going away any time soon, either.
www.yahoo.com/tech/apple-delivers-monster-earnings-iphone-sales-back-track-213403340.html

snippet:

"Following up on back to back quarters where iPhone growth took a dip, Apple sold 78.3 million iPhones last quarter, marking a slight uptick from last year’s holiday quarter where the company sold 74.7 million units. Analysts, meanwhile, were projecting iPhone sales for the quarter to come in at 78 million units.

As for other products in Apple’s lineup, iPad and Mac sales checked in at 13.1 million and 5.37 million units, respectively. This compares to 16.1 million iPad sales and 5.31 Mac sales in the year-ago quarter. All told, iPad sales fell 22% while Mac sales rose by a modest 7%.

Apple’s Services division, meanwhile, generated revenue of $7.17 billion, representing a solid 18% increase year over year."

[Death's Shadow]

When you have to use an emulator, it will cause its own set of problems. Bugs in its code etc. As for PB it no longer supports cod games. Check my thread for the link to fix that. Apply the file to where ever you have cod installed.

Feb 2, 2017 10:06:45 GMT -5 RedRock said:

I play COD4 online on my Mac OS--smooth, no problems, except I can't get into servers with PunkBuster (except when using my Laptop--I'm guessing I just need to re-install the app on my desktop machine). I play COD4 on Windows using Bootcamp and Win7Pro--ughh--Windows key gets activated for no reason at worst times, and I get lots of CI's every evening (usually, local network adapter fail, or something like that, and Windows has to reset it--hardwired, not wireless--or something about my IP is not a valid address, even though it was for the entire previous hours I had been playing), so it's very frustrating trying to finish a game or scrim online with Windows. It's just not reliable. So the whole thing could be free, and it'd still be crap. You get what you pay for, is how it's always seemed to me. And still does.

[RedRock]

NOT an emulator. I'm running a full version of Win7Pro I bought and have the key for. It's just loading on my Mac's intel chip (i7) using Apple's Bootcamp startup app.

[Death's Shadow]

Ok, sorry thought you were talking about a program like wine. Not sure what could be the problem. I still suspect it is because you are trying to force apple hardware to run windows. Over all in theory it should work, but if apple had its internal components on board controller chips hardwired to their own propitiatory coding that could cause the problems. Just guessing here as I refuse to work on Mac computers.

When I get people calling to ask me to fix their Mac, I offer them a sledge hammer and a new pc build.

[RedRock]

Why, look at that, it's not just IBM switching, it's GE too!!!!

GE to offer Macs to their 330,000 employees as it standardizes on iOS for mobile

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3599062/posts

[Death's Shadow]

Sure when you could give a crap less about profit margins, supply your company with WAY over priced computers. If I was a stock holder and heard that news I would sell fast.