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Post by neillomax on Feb 19, 2008 21:40:23 GMT -5
Nowadays, no matter where you go, you're almost always within 1000 feet of a school. Think about it.
And isn't it ironic, now that the democrats ( friggin right wing socialist scumbags ) have a decent chance of winning the White House, You hear more and more about "sensationalized" shootings throughout the country. Your "free" press at work. Gonna be bad for the good in this country I fear.
I also feel that if the federal government would put more effort ( $ and manpower ), into the war on drugs, there wouldn't be as large a "gun problem" in this country. Unfortunately this isn't true. I suppose it would be politically incorrect to throw a minority in jail for killing somebody over a doorway to sell his crack in. ( Wash. D.C. )
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Post by Death's Shadow on Feb 20, 2008 0:33:16 GMT -5
I agree with most of that statement except the democrats being right wing.. they are most defiantly left wing socialist scum sucking dirt bags.
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Post by Lamron on Jul 27, 2008 14:33:38 GMT -5
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 27, 2008 16:36:36 GMT -5
Tragic. That church is in an area of very high income homes in West Knoxville, close to the UTK campus. I suppose that is why the Mayor was there as he lives close by. Chrurches in that small area of Knoxville are attended by the area's most powerful and wealthy. That gunman will certainly receive the worst Knox County can throw at him.
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Post by Death's Shadow on Jul 27, 2008 17:26:26 GMT -5
Reading all the way down in the article I see why non of the church members was carrying a gun. They are a activist church.
Quoted from the article.
I am in no way saying they deserved to get shot.
This is what happens when people look at the world with rose colored glasses and wish for utopia. They set themselves up as a easy target for those that would do harm.
I hope the wounded recover well.
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 28, 2008 8:00:05 GMT -5
No one in this area would ever carry a gun into a church service that they were attending. My father-in-law owns many weapons and ALWAYS carries at least one weapon on him (usually two). We talked about this last night. He assured me that the local Baptists would never allow a weapon in the sanctuary. He does have a weapon in his truck at all times though in addition to the ones he carries. When at church all of them are left in the truck. Perhaps other parts of the country differ in this thinking but in this part of the country weapons just do not get carried into any churches.
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Post by Lamron on Jul 28, 2008 9:24:19 GMT -5
Does Tennessee law prohibit it, or is that a local church prohibition?
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Post by Death's Shadow on Jul 28, 2008 12:02:24 GMT -5
the shooter didn't mind bringing his shot gun to church.
I understand about no weapons in church. I would agree with that philosophy, but times have changed. This is not 50 years ago, or even 10, when people had more respect for the house of God, and would not dream of doing a shooting at a church.
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 28, 2008 18:03:39 GMT -5
Does Tennessee law prohibit it, or is that a local church prohibition? In TN it is not prohibited by law UNLESS the church property is part of a school. But I know of no church that would support it.
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 28, 2008 18:04:39 GMT -5
the shooter didn't mind bringing his shot gun to church. I understand about no weapons in church. I would agree with that philosophy, but times have changed. This is not 50 years ago, or even 10, when people had more respect for the house of God, and would not dream of doing a shooting at a church. No he didnt mind at all, but I will be very shocked if it turns out that he was a member at the church. While I agree that times have certainly changed, most religious folks haven't I do not forsee a time when weapons will be welcome in East TN churches.
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Post by Death's Shadow on Jul 28, 2008 18:30:35 GMT -5
I consider myself somewhat religious. I have no problem with people coming to church carrying concealed. I do not think they should advertise they have a gun strapped to their ankle and brandish it and show it around at church.
I doubt they are going to frisk you at the door to get in. LOL As for him being a member or not. That did not make a difference to him one way or the other either I'm sure.
Better to be kicked out of that church to live another day, than to be mowed down like sheep in the isle.
Just my take on it. Everyone has to choose for themselves what they would do.
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 28, 2008 19:26:12 GMT -5
Today's update on the shooting: KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (July 28) - An out-of-work truck driver accused of opening fire at a Unitarian church, killing two people, left behind a note suggesting that he targeted the congregation out of hatred for its liberal policies, including its acceptance of gays, authorities said Monday. 'A Horrible Act of Violence'Duncan Mansfield, AP Police said shooting suspect Jim D. Adkisson, seen above after his arrest, opened fire on a church in Knoxville, Tenn., because he was angered by its liberal views. Two people were killed in Sunday's rampage. Adkisson has been charged with first-degree murder.
A four-page letter found in Jim D. Adkisson's small SUV indicated he intentionally targeted the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church because, the police chief said, "he hated the liberal movement" and was upset with "liberals in general as well as gays." Adkisson, a 58-year-old truck driver on the verge of losing his food stamps, had 76 rounds with him when he entered the church and pulled a shotgun from a guitar case during a children's performance of the musical "Annie." The Knoxville News Sentinel reported Monday that Adkisson may also have chosen the church because his ex-wife was a former longtime member of the congregation. He remained jailed Monday on $1 million bond after being charged with one-count of murder. More charges are expected. Four victims were hospitalized in critical condition. The attack Sunday morning lasted only minutes. But the anger behind it may have been building for months, if not years. "It appears that what brought him to this horrible event was his lack of being able to obtain a job, his frustration over that, and his stated hatred for the liberal movement," Police Chief Sterling Owen said.
Adkisson was a loner who hates "blacks, gays and anyone different from him," longtime acquaintance Carol Smallwood of Alice, Texas, told the newspaper. Authorities said Adkisson's criminal record consisted of only two drunken driving citations. But court records reviewed by The Associated Press show that his former wife obtained an order of protection in March 2000 while the two were still married and living in the Knoxville suburb of Powell. Alexander wrote in requesting the order that Adkisson threatened "to blow my brains out and then blow his own brains out." She told a judge that she was "in fear for my life and what he might do." Calls to the home of the ex-wife, Liza Alexander, were not answered Monday, and the voice mailbox was full. In Adkisson's letter, which police have not released, "he indicated ... that he expected to be in there (the church) shooting people until the police arrived and that he fully expected to be killed by the responding police," Owen said. "He certainly intended to take a lot of casualties." The Unitarian-Universalist church advocates for women's rights and gay rights and has provided sanctuary for political refugees. It also has fed the homeless and founded a chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, according to its Web site. Owen said authorities believe the suspect had gone to the Unitarian church because of "some publicity in the recent past regarding its liberal stance on things." Owen did not identify the publicity, but the Rev. Chris Buice, the church's pastor, is a frequent contributor to the Knoxville newspaper. "In the midst of political and religious controversy, I choose to love my neighbors as myself," Buice wrote in an op-ed piece published in March. "Ultimately, I believe that tolerance, compassion and respect are the qualities we need to keep Knoxville and East Tennessee beautiful." Adkisson told authorities he had no next of kin or family. He lived about a 20-minute drive from the Unitarian church — one of three in the Knoxville area. The church is in an established neighborhood of older, upscale homes and several other houses of worship near the University of Tennessee. The police chief said the suspect bought the shotgun at a pawn shop about a month ago, and he wrote the letter in the last week or so. A .38-caliber handgun was found in his home. About 200 people from throughout the community were watching 25 children performing "Annie" when the suspect entered the church, pulled out a semiautomatic shotgun and fired three fatal blasts. Church member Barbara Kemper said the gunman shouted "hateful words" before he opened fire, but police investigators said other witnesses didn't recall him saying anything. A burly usher, 60-year-old Greg McKendry, was hailed as a hero for shielding others from gunfire as other church members rushed to wrestle the gunman to the ground. Police arrived at 10:21 a.m., three minutes after getting the 911 call and arrested Adkisson. No children were hurt, but eight people were shot, including the two who died — McKendry and Linda Kraeger, 61. When the first shot rang out at the rear of the sanctuary, many church members thought it might be part of the play or a glitch in the public address system. Some laughed before turning around to see the shooter and his first victims covered in blood. Jamie Parkey crawled under the pews with his daughter and mother when the second and third shots were fired. He saw several men rush the suspect. "I jumped up to join them," he told AP Television News. "When I got there, they were already wrestling with him. The gun was in the air. Somebody grabbed the gun and we just kind of dog-piled him to the floor. I knew a police suppression hold, and I sat on him until police came." Parkey's wife, Amy Broyles, was visiting the church to see her daughter in the play. She said Adkisson "was a man who was hurt in the world and feeling that nothing was going his way," she said. "He turned the gun on people who were mostly likely to treat him lovingly and compassionately and be the ones to help someone in that situation." Investigators were reviewing several video recordings of the performance by parents and church members. Owen said police would not release the videos or Adkisson's letter until they have been analyzed for evidence. Adkisson, who faces his next court hearing Aug. 5, was on active duty with the Army beginning in 1974. Army records show he was a helicopter repairman, rising from a private to specialist and then returning to private before being discharged in late 1977.
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Post by Lamron on Jul 28, 2008 23:07:39 GMT -5
Well, he hit two of the most common reasons for attacking a church, the ex-wife was a member there and he disagreed with the teachings. That's why I say you should always carry at church (if legally possible).
I have to admit I laughed a little at this:
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 29, 2008 7:03:07 GMT -5
Right Lam.... he sure is an upstanding member of the conservative community He MUST believe in doing what he can to support himself Also, HOW can a truck driver be out of work? Our classifieds have TONS of ads needing truck drivers now.
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Post by Death's Shadow on Jul 29, 2008 7:39:53 GMT -5
I would assume that the 2 DWI's might have ended his trucking days?
He is a very poor example of a conservative. While many share his frustration they do not go shoot up churches.
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