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[Willy]

Yeah, I agree with Lost...liberals suck! :-)

[Meatgrinder_Malone]

Dear Mr. President,

You have exposed yourself as a liberal. You profess to 'think for yourself' but then you ask the question:

"Just out of curiosity, what do you feel about Bush, Lamron?"

You exposed yourself by using the word 'feel' instead of 'think'. This is one of the first indications of a liberal infection. Unless someone is curious as to the level of comfort due to illness or injury, as soon as I hear someone use the word 'feel' when it comes to soliciting an opinion, I have to stop listening.

Just what I think.

[Garp {eng}]

And I thought british politics was *&^% up!
Man you americans do EVERYTHING big :-)

[Garp {eng}]

You seem to have 2 main party's over there. we have 3 the conservatives (losers) Labour (in power, just) and the Liberal Democrats (now thats gota give ya noggin a knock) along side those we got up and coming BNP (British national party) formally National front, these guys are against immigration (and are called racist) Took some real high profile seats last election they did, now that's gota scare ya.

[Willy]

Not really, I think that's just what England needs. Due to the very lax immigration policies, and insane political correctness over the years, the muslims have almost brought your country to its knees (as in France). I'm hoping for the day when we (the U.S.A.) learn from Europe's mistakes and become more nationalistic again before it's too late. Without borders, you have no country. Controlled immigration is good as long as the they will assimilate and become productive members of your society. Unbridled immigration (legal or illegal) of non-productive "turd worlders" who suck your country of its resources, is a detriment to country's existance.

[Urumii-Previously ThePresident]

Alright, I get the impression that you guys don't think to highly of me at the moment because of my views, and I would like to stay here and be friendly with you all at lamronsplayground. So in that regard I am going to say nothing more on this subject as it may hurt me even more.

[Lost_Child]

thepresident said:

Alright, I get the impression that you guys don't think to highly of me at the moment because of my views, and I would like to stay here and be friendly with you all at lamronsplayground. So in that regard I am going to say nothing more on this subject as it may hurt me even more.

I don't think this has to do with friendship !
It's a POLITICAL discussion .
The right to voice yours and our opinion
is CLEARLY stated in the Constitution !

The purpose of a political discussion is to educate and express
views and opinions, not to belittle and demeanor .

And thats my OPINION !

[Urumii-Previously ThePresident]

Yes, but I am being belittled and demeaned, maybe not by everyone, but by some, and I would like to understand their point of view, rather than them bashing mine.

[Willy]

I know!! Maybe after the next election you can change your name to..."Mr. Victim"

[Lamron]

thepresident said:

Alright, I get the impression that you guys don't think to highly of me at the moment because of my views, and I would like to stay here and be friendly with you all at lamronsplayground.

Please don't misunderstand, the "liberals" that we are saying must be stopped are not people like you. We're referring to the high profile public liberals that are out actively working on their agenda. There's probably a couple that you think are pretty far out there too. Just as there are a couple of right-wing wackos that we can agree on too.

Before any discussion, we must first understand that we are advancing/ discussing/ debating ideas and concepts. If someone disagrees with you, that is not an attack on your personal worth as a human. It is an opposing idea or value. Personal attacks are what people revert to when they realize that the facts are not on their side, but their pride prevents them from admitting it. Or it may be that they have no clear idea of why they believe what they believe, they've just heard it so many times it seems natural.

Mature players in the arena of ideas understand a few starting points; first, there is a right answer to every question. If two people disagree on something, then at least one (or both) of them is wrong. So we have to work out what the correct answer is.

Second, entering into a rational discussion with someone always benefits those involved. People legitimately seeking the truth will either discover that they were in error and be able to change their position, or, if they were right to begin with, be able to share some new knowledge with someone else. I love finding out that I was wrong about something, because I then have the clear opportunity to improve myself. It all depends on whether you are more interested in winning the argument, or discovering the right answer.

Someone who refuses to discuss what they profess to believe is saying two things: "there is no possible way that I could ever be wrong, so I don't have to listen to anyone else" and "I possess the truth, but I'm too selfish to share it with anyone else.

So in that regard I am going to say nothing more on this subject as it may hurt me even more.

Nobody's disliking you now for your comments. You've always behaved yourself in a mature, friendly manner here, as far as I'm aware. You are welcome here with us. We can disagree without hating each other. We all have different life experiences and its entirely likely and probable that YOU have something to teach me that I would have otherwise never been aware of.

So lets do this, we've been using somewhat vague words like "liberal" and "conservative" to refer to a large group of ideas. Pick an issue that's important to YOU, and start a new thread about it. Explain what and why you believe what you do about that one issue. We'll discuss it and try not to go off on tangents. If you truly believe something, then you should always be prepared to explain and defend your ideas. It will only make you stronger and better able to handle life's conflicts.

If we can all discuss it rationally (and we will in this group), the only possible outcomes are that you become even more secure in your values and introduce others to them, or you may learn some new aspect of it that you never considered before, that might improve your understanding of the topic at hand.

[Willy]

No one holds anything against you kid...suck it up! Was just kidding with you since you were relaying the same crap I hear daily from the hippie scum here in Kalifornicatia...pisses me off to no end!
Try living somewhat of a life (career, family, mortgage, paying taxes for 25+ years, etc...) before you jump into a 'discussion of politics' with a bunch of bitter LP members (i speak for Meatgrinder and myself).

[Meatgrinder_Malone]

yeah...watch your career get outsourced to China or India. Watch your kids be force-fed Islamic Jihad teachings in 7th grade, courtesy of the State. Pay more taxes for more and more stupid things, like 'Global Warming/Cooling' and 'Carbon Consumption'. Pay more and more property taxes to pay for things like nepotistic homosexual public school administrators who promote themselves and create high-level and paying positions for their 'life-partner' (like in Santa Cruz). Pay more in taxes for carpool lanes that don't make sense, that you can't use. Watch politicians turn loose 'victim' rapists while jailing someone who owned a particular firearm for 40 years beore it became 'unsafe'. Sit there and watch your kids be taught in Spanish, instead of that racist English. Sit there and take it while they try to make you out as the raider who stole the land your house sits on from the 'Indiginous Peoples', while at the same time La Raza is in full 'Re-Conquista' of the land you 'stole' from them. (I'm still not sure who I stole my land from, Indians or Mexicans) See how long you can stomach being made to feel guilty for not driving an electric cockroach, instead of the pickup truck you use to haul supplies you need for your job. See how long you can take being made to feel guilty for not spending $20 a day to commute 3 hours to work in a stinking train, instead of driving for 20 minutes. Suck up being force-fed the lies from the drug companies who want to put you on subscription medication for everything regardless of side effects. My favorite one is for 'Social anxiety - possible side effects are cold sweats, gas, explosive diarreha and sneezing fits) Look at this one...this one illustrates how eaisly duped the public is when it comes to drugs: applydirectlytotheforehead.ytmnd.com/ Anyone know what this stuff does???
Watch years and years of 'guns bad', 'let the carjacker have your car, it's not worth fighting for', 'don't harm an intruder, he will sue you and be awarded your life (just ask the landowner in Texas whose farm was awarded to the illegal alien that he stopped during illegal entry to our country) Endure years of being a racist pig American, ESPECIALLY if you are non-'of-color'. Watch your country's identity be trashed, ridiculed and eroded away. There is talk of the 'Amero'...a 'Euro', one-world government, New World Order 'currency'. Supreme Court Justices talking of using European Law to render their decisions. Guns bad! Homosexual ANYTHING GOOD! Looking at beautiful naked women...BAD Legalizing street drugs GOOD! Home invader: Victim! Homeowner protecting his home and family...BAD Animals have rights. People other than Americans have rights. Caucasians have no rights to exist on the planet. Americans are only good for making the place look nice, only to have it taken away and handed to a thug, because it's not 'fair' When my kids tell me something isn't fair, I usually tell them that they are very astute in their observation of life. Live through BS like Ebonics, 'Giving BACK', 'We NEED MORE Low-income housing, metering lights, carpool lanes, Spare the Air Days, Gay Pride Parades and hundreds more assaults on your life...and see if you can stomach any liberal 'feelings' you might have. I love when a lefty tells me, 'Hey man, if it FEELS good, then do it!"...I always tell them something like, 'well, barbequeing kittens alive makes me feel good, I think I'll do that tonight!"

Thanks!

KittenGrinder Malone

[Lamron]

Well, KittenGrinder Malone, its nice to see that none of that has made you bitter! You really need to get out of Kommiefornia. Just don't look back as you leave, or you'll turn into a pillar of salt!

[RedRock]

No, Prez, you're not personally being attacked. In fact, it's just the opposite. An apparently bright energetic kid (I got underwear older than you!) shows up here and plays and has fun--cool, all right!-- but then he starts repeating that tired old nonsensical crap that I hear and read day in and day out on/in the mainstream media, and so I start trying to get that kid to think about what he's repeating, because the kid has caught my eye and he might just be worthwhile after all! Why, he's just begging for me to help him out! And you know,
"It's all good here at Lamron's Diner!"

So few young people today know WHY they "believe" or "feel" what they do, at least they cannot explain it or justify it when challenged, but they fully understand within their hearts from the public schools and college campuses and TV channels and newspapers, etc., that they are EXPECTED to believe and support the anti-USA, anti-God, anti-capitalism, anti-progress, anti-business, anti-Walmart, anti-Bush, anti-conservative, anti-gun, anti-war, anti-border control, anti-military, pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, pro-socialism, pro-criminal, pro-taxes, pro-illegals, pro-reverse racism, pro-animal wacko, pro-environmental wacko, pro-big government, pro-there is no black and white on any issue stance that liberals/democrats in the USA today take as a matter of course.

So, don't just throw out a "Bush Lied People Died, can't we all just get along, Michael row your boat ashore, the rich get richer, we need european support" stereotypical quip and NOT expect most of the members here to try to gently educate you on your well-intentioned but oh so misguided youthful ways!

Now, how's that for some positive affirmation?

[Urumii-Previously ThePresident]

In a couple of days I will start a new thread addressing all of your comments and add in some of my own views. I am pretty busy with school right now so I don't have a lot of brain power to put toward a thoughtful post at the moment.

So look for a new thread most likely by Sunday.