Resistance IS Futile!

[Death's Shadow]

thanks was just wondering since i have never owned a mac.. my silly sister does though and now she cusses it all the time. i just laugh at her.. and well i guess your lucky. hard drives in mac are made by same ppl that make for pc they can hold either os. over the years i have only had 1 go out on me. I'll conceed that mac is a hell of a buisness computer but still lagging behind in the gaming area but catching up fast. soon it wont matter what os just the price you pay for it.

love these lil chats about PC vs. mac keep em coming lol..

come over to the dark side Red.. you know you wanna hehe

[vinsanity]

I have always contended that Mac machines were far superior to PC's in design, efficiency, and reliability. My problem with Mac has always been limited software availability and of course price. I actually owned a Mac myself back in the 1980's. It never gave me any problems. I have a few family members who own both and prefer the Macs to the PC's. My thing is this... it does seem like a punk move for Mac to decide to make their machines run Windows too. It is a clear admission that their system is the less popular. And even with the issues that PC's sometimes have, they are still the better buy. I can upgrade ANYTHING on my PC at any time I choose to - at a reasonable cost for parts. AND I have a CHOICE in who makes the parts I buy. With a Mac is it not true that you have to buy everything from them and that upgrading is still not an option on most of their machines? I built my current PC in January of 2002. It is still problem free and fast as hell. It does everything I ask of it. It also cost me less than $900 for ALL parts, including the case. I could not have gotten a Mac that performs as well as my PC for that price - most importantly I could not have built one myself as that option is not available, or at least wasn't when I built this one. Are parts availble now from different manufacturers to build a Mac? If they were I would build one.

[RedRock]

Macs aren't targeted for the under-the-hood tinker-ers, but "for the rest of us," the normal people, people who just want it to work right and work right out of the box, with no problems, no reading of the manual, and no techical nerdy knowledge needed, and to last for years even with OS and program upgrades. You CAN certainly add or swap out components on the Mac the same as with other pc's, but most things are already there and have been chosen quite well by Apple to suit most users, even for gaming--so many things are standard with the Mac, from wireless to network to sound to video, that I don't NEED "choice" the way you tinker-ers do. More power to you, but we're talking (sorry) Apples and oranges here.

The only thing Apple has never licensed or let be copied is the actual OS--compare IBM, which let its OS (actually, Windows) be used by any cheapo box and chip maker and is now defunct as a computer maker. It's probably that one thing that has kept Apple from being eaten up by other pc makers, and what makes Mac a little (and I still insist, it's only a little, in the grand scheme of things, and well worth it regardless) more expensive.

This is a lot akin to building a house--my grandfather, father, and brothers could do it (and Dad did) for a whole lot less than having someone else do it, and it'd be better in quality and function, probably, but I can't, and I don't want to--I have far more important things to do with my time--and the next best thing is available for me to buy anyway, so I don't have go slumming.

I sense that my tirades and Mac evangelism are becoming tiring, so I am going to back off. Sometime this Spring, Apple will release the next major OS, OS 10.5 ("Leopard"), and I am considering upgrading, but I certainly don't need to; OS 10.4.9 is just dandy. I also plan to get an iPhone in the Summer when they are available, and daughter #2 will buy her own new MacIntel system sometime this summer (for College), so I do anticipate I will have some new information/experience/raves to pass on eventually, but for now I'll just lie low and let you SuperCompDudes be!

[Lamron]

redrock said:

the normal people, people who just want it to work right and work right out of the box, with no problems, no reading of the manual, and no techical nerdy knowledge needed, and to last for years even with OS and program upgrades.

Sounds boring to me! What's the point in buying ANYTHING if I can't modify it and make it better? I can't think of a single thing in my house that I didn't tear apart and rebuild the minute I got it home from the store. People say I have a disorder, but I think they're crazy. ;D

[michiganmilitia]

I don't have a whole lot to say about this that hasn't already been said.

But I can say this: Mac is not assimilating with PC, PC is assimilating with Mac. The new PC OS? The five major new features are all rip-offs of Mac OS X (gadgets? search feature? explorer? calendar? exposé?) these five items all work and look VERY similar, but for a good reason: When a good idea comes by, why not imitate it? tinyurl.com/ld67f Props to Microsoft for picking up on these user-friendly goodies, Props to Apple for coming up with them two years earlier and just recently winning the usability, functionality, and appearance awards.


Seriously. Just go to www.apple.com/getamac/. The switch is easy and well worth it. You'll never even look back.


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Had to throw in the TinyUrl because the post editor was adding a random space and breaking the weblink when I posted it.

[Death's Shadow]

lol red.. well if your one of those kinda people that calls AAA to come change your tire for you cause you dont know how you may be better off with the mac. for the rest of us that like it the way WE want it it is more cost effective and parts abundant to do our pc thing.

MM ... if mac is not worried about trying to suck PC users to their market then why would they intergrate intell and what ever program it is you use to run windows on your mac. Seems they are trying a bit too hard for me. hehe lol ... all in fun bud..

laters

[RedRock]

And your point about tire changing is......what exactly?
What kind of twerp gets sweaty and dirty (or wet and frozen, depending on time of year) and risks getting clobbered by other cars passing by or risks getting squished by a car falling off its jacks, just to change a tire? Oh yeah, the minimum wage guys I call through my AAA membership to do it for me. Oooooh, but then, the $ I spend annually for me, the wife, and now the oldest daughter for AAA COULD be used instead to buy a replacement video card with 10 Mb more memory, another noisy fan, and 2 MHz faster rate than the one that came with my computer.
Yep, it's all about choices.

Notice I didn't use the M word here. I said I'd back off, but you guys make it soooooo hard.

[Death's Shadow]

lol red. Must be nice to be in the bucks. Us poor people are used to having to do it ourselves. and were do you get AAA coverage that cheap? I can replace my vid card for under 100 bucks and more than double the memory and speed of the card. and dont have to have to pay some one to do it for me.

Notice I didnt say the W word, lol keep it coming buddy hehe

[Lamron]

Keep it civil guys! We're only talking about what computer you use, not something important like what brand of motorcycle you ride (Honda Rules!).

[Death's Shadow]

your right Lam ... sorry Red didnt mean any disrespect to ya man. Just stating it from my point of view. Im having fun with our lil mac VS pc thing hehe laters


and you got me hands down on the motorcycle I dont even have one (sniff) to compaire to yours .

[RedRock]

Everything I say here, or at least almost everything, has some sarcasm, irony, humor, or wit (I hope, I hope, LOL) in it, so don't take everything exactly as stated. I try to illustrate absurdity with absurdity (the big guy stole my best lines, you know, with one hand tied behind his back), so of course, the "upgrade" on the vid card example was a bit......exaggerated!

As for trying to change tires, I did that when I was a teenager and foolish. Now I do my best not to. It just takes too long. Someday I'll tell the story of trying to put a ball on my hitch on my truck (took 1.5 hours). I think I'll stick with what I do best, OK?

[Death's Shadow]

well we all have our strong points and weak ones too.. got to stick with what works for you.. just like I do..

as for the vid card I struck out... the store was sold out of em so i have to wait on a back order
was hoping to get it done today but ohhh well I waited this long I can wait a few more days.

seems there is a run on ATI cards at the moment.. everyone is upgrading at the same time... tons of nvida cards if i wanted one though.

[RedRock]

Heh heh heh!!!

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Apple 4Q Earnings Beat Analyst Views


Monday October 22, 9:14 PM EDT

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) — Apple Inc.'s fiscal fourth-quarter profits jumped 67 percent to cap a year that saw unprecedented momentum in its Macintosh computer business, continued demand for iPods and the successful launch of the iPhone.

For the three months that ended Sept. 30, Apple said Monday it earned $904 million, or $1.01 per share, compared with $542 million, or 62 cents per share, in the year-ago quarter.

Apple easily beat the expectations of analysts polled by Thomson Financial, who predicted earnings per share of 86 cents on sales of $6.07 billion.

Revenue totaled $6.22 billion, compared with $4.84 billion in the same quarter last year.

Apple's stock price, which has more than doubled since January, rose $3.94, or 2.3 percent, to close at $174.36. After the earnings report, shares climbed about $12, almost 7 percent, in extended trading.

Apple said it shipped a record 2.16 million Macs in the quarter, an increase of 34 percent, while it sold 10.2 million iPods, up 17 percent. The debut of a slate of new iPods in September helped accelerate sales and is expected to boost holiday revenues, Apple officials said.

The company has sold more than 120 million iPods since the product's 2001 debut.

Yet the iPhone, a combination cell phone and media player, is already tracking better than the iPod, Apple's chief operating officer Tim Cook told analysts in a conference call.

In the first full quarter of iPhone sales — a number many on Wall Street were waiting for — Apple said it sold 1.12 million units, bringing the cumulative total to 1.39 million since the product debuted on June 29.

"It took us over two years to achieve a comparable number for the iPod," Cook said. "So we're thrilled here."

Sales of the iPhone picked up in September after Apple knocked $200 off the price of the 8-gigabyte model, bringing it down to $399, Cook said, but he declined to be more specific.

The swift price cut just 10 weeks after the gadget hit the market angered some early customers, a response that prompted Apple to make amends by offering them a $100 store credit.

Apple's efforts to prevent customers from modifying, or "unlocking," iPhones to work on networks other than Apple's carrier partner in the United States, AT&T Corp., also frustrated users — and sparked lawsuits.

Apple's "guess" is that buyers of 250,000 of the 1.4 million iPhones sold so far intended to unlock them, Cook said.

In an apparent about-face that allayed developer grumblings, Apple announced last week it will open the device to third-party applications.

Despite the complaints, Apple came out shining.

For the full fiscal year, Apple earned a record $3.5 billion, up more than 75 percent from last year when it earned $1.99 billion. Yearly sales reached over $24 billion, a 24 percent jump from fiscal 2006.

"We had a fantastic quarter and year," said Peter Oppenheimer, Apple's chief financial officer.

Apple's fortunes have skyrocketed in recent years as its iPods became a cultural phenomenon. The portable players, which work with Macs as well as Microsoft Corp. Windows-based machines, have also drawn more people to Apple's software and design, leading to what analysts call a "halo effect" on Mac sales.

After hovering for years with a 2 percent to 3 percent share of the PC market in the United States, Apple's slice has now grown to 8 percent, according to the latest figures from market researcher Gartner Inc.

Now, many investors are betting Apple's foray into the cell phone market will be another lucrative engine.

The iPhone "is a game-changing product," said Stephen Coleman, chief investment officer at Daedalus Capital LLC.

Based on income from the iPhone alone, he said, "I expect Apple's earnings to continually grow materially at 50 percent a year, for the next three years."

Apple reiterated Monday its previous target of selling 10 million iPhones in 2008, helped by the launch of the iPhone in Europe next month, then in Asia next year.

For the current quarter, Apple said it expects earnings of about $1.42 per share on revenue of about $9.2 billion. Analysts on average had been expecting earnings of $1.39 per share on sales of $8.58 billion.

"We're looking forward to a strong December quarter as we enter the holiday season with Apple's best products ever," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO.

[Death's Shadow]

lemmings to the sea...

[RedRock]

dreamingshadow said:

lemmings to the sea...

But you'll have to admit, admirably equipped with super-puters!