Death's Shadow
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Post by Death's Shadow on Jun 26, 2007 11:39:33 GMT -5
I agree Pvt. I truly believe Illegal immigration is a bloodless invasion of our country. And now we have this bill being ramrodded through our system. Of course the left wants the bill to create a larger voter base. I can not understand why the president put forth what he did in the bill. This is one of the few things he has done that I totally disagree with. It is not a solution but capitulation. This issue is the wrong one to toss the libs a bone on. The Mexicans can not even manage their own govt. or economy so why bring them here to destroy ours.
What about this crap of border guards being prosecuted for drawing their weapons on Illegals crossing the border? Are we to stop them with words? More leftest crap.
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Post by Sgt_Blueberry on Jun 26, 2007 12:12:49 GMT -5
Why not put Big Daddy at the border? If he draws his weapon and happens to shoot at a illegal at least we won't have to worry about him actually hitting one. ;D
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Post by vinsanity on Jun 26, 2007 12:25:06 GMT -5
"Why not put Big Daddy at the border? If he draws his weapon and happens to shoot at a illegal at least we won't have to worry about him actually hitting one." LOLOLOLOL now THAT is the type of comment that I love to see in these forums
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Post by Sgt_Blueberry on Jun 26, 2007 13:40:04 GMT -5
I thought you would enjoy that Vince.
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Post by Urumii-Previously ThePresident on Jun 26, 2007 21:15:38 GMT -5
I've been thinking about a solution to illegal immigration, other than spending all that money to put up cameras, troops and all that jazz at the border. Now this is not complete yet, there might be issues I find later, maybe you guys will point some out too. Just my thoughts on a solution. Instead of deporting illegal aliens when they are discovered working for some company, then fining the company, require the company to pay the mexicans minimum wage (5.75 I think its at now). Now your saying, yeah but the whole point is that the gov. doesnt know about them, so how can that be regulated? When the government finds a stronghold of mexicans working for a certain company, require them to pay 5.75 for every hour that mexican has worked for the duration of his stay at that job. Now companies will have no reason to hire mexicans, because they will have to pay them the same amount as any other american anyways. There will be no demand for the mexicans anymore, thus fixing the immigration problem. I havn't figured out how to get around the fact that prices for fruit and veggies and such will go up because of increased labor costs, but aside from that I think that could work. That is the shortened version of my thoughts. Praise, critisism... slaps in the face? All welcomed. I posted this awhile ago in my Going to Mexico thread, never got any replies to it, but we seemed to have stumbled back to the subject, and this is now relavant again.
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Lamron
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Post by Lamron on Jun 26, 2007 21:44:14 GMT -5
That might reduce an employer's preference for hiring illegals, but it won't prevent them from hiring them at all. We need something stronger than that if we want to get them to LEAVE THE COUNTRY. Cutting down on the available jobs won't matter to you if you are getting welfare, free housing, food, and medical care. Many of them don't have or need jobs.
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Post by beer on Jun 26, 2007 23:02:27 GMT -5
This is just an opinion: I believe this country as it is today was founded by immigrants.Immigrants that came over and claimed land from a people who were already established here,and commited genocide on their race. I think we should have better border control to keep out terrorists,yes.I dont think we should single out Mexicans...what about the Canadian borders? I work with many Mexican immigrants who are good people and hard workers,and some who have fought for this country.In my opinion,maybe we need something like Ellis Island(better conditions) for our southern border.It is not a bloodless invasion,you should hear how they talk of America.I myself welcome immigrants as I am 1 too. I have Irish in my blood but I am also Seminole Indian.I was born here but if it werent for my Irish great grandfather who immigrated here I may not be here.Think about it. Just an opinion.
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Lamron
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Post by Lamron on Jun 27, 2007 0:01:33 GMT -5
Immigrants are welcomed with open arms. Come in and join us! We're happy to have you. But all illegal aliens should be shot at the border (if they make it past the minefields).
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Post by beer on Jun 27, 2007 0:43:19 GMT -5
Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, sautee it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it.
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RedRock
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Post by RedRock on Jun 27, 2007 1:28:24 GMT -5
This is just an opinion: I believe this country as it is today was founded by immigrants.Immigrants that came over and claimed land from a people who were already established here,and commited genocide on their race. Unfortunately, the "we Indians were minding our own business and living peacefully as one with nature and our fellow men when those nasty old White European males came and invaded us and took our land" concept denies reality and history. Those people you refer to had already done their own invading and genocide and slavery of other "established" native American Indians centuries before, and later with the help of, the White man. One Indian group would migrate due to weather, political, or other conditions into another group's "established" area and displace them or destroy them, while taking slaves and women. The displaced groups would flee even further away from the old "established" areas and try to displace other groups, in addition. The Seminoles certainly didn't arise out of thin air in Florida and hadn't been there forever. The Wikipedia entry for Seminoles gives a good recounting of this: "In the early 18th century, members of the Lower Creek Nation began migrating into Florida to remove themselves from the dominance of the Upper Creeks, and intermingled with the few remaining indigenous people there, including the Yuchi, Yamasee, and others. They went on to be called "Seminole", a derivative of the Mvskoke (a Creek language) word simano-li, an adaptation of the Spanish "cimarrón" which means "wild" (in their case, "wild men"), or "runaway" [men]. The Seminole were a heterogeneous tribe made up of mostly Lower Creeks from Georgia, Mikasuki-speaking Muskogees, and escaped African American slaves, and to a lesser extent, white Europeans and Indians from other tribes." So the natural progression of the world continued, and the Red Man lost dominance and the White Man gained it in North America. Now, the Mexican is threatening to invade and displace the American, at least in the Southwestern States, and if the Ted Kennedy Amnesty bill passes, in a few short years there could be 50 million new Mexicans voting as U.S. citizens to dismantle the United States in form, if not in fact. Unless we are stronger than they and stop them. And the Mexicanos are the major illegal alien in the U.S. today. It's the Willie Sutton law*, so that's why the focus is on Mexicans--you go where the "money" is. *again, from Wikipedia: "[Willie] Sutton is famously (and probably falsely) known for answering a reporter, Mitch Ohnstad, who asked why he robbed banks by saying, "because that's where the money is." The quote formed the basis of Sutton's law, often taught to medical students."
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Post by Urumii-Previously ThePresident on Jun 27, 2007 3:10:13 GMT -5
Heres a thought... go into mexico, give them good paying jobs there, so they don't come here. Problem solved That was easy. LOL.
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Post by beer on Jun 27, 2007 3:34:34 GMT -5
Scuse me sir.....I never said that the Indians were minding their own business...and that they never kicked ass...I just mentioned that the white folk came over and did them harm ....why are you so taken by that? Guilt? Its a scar on history when Hitler killed 6 million Jews but its a wikipedia note when whites do it to Indians? Im gonna vomit.It does not deny reality and history it happened pal!Yes we did our own invading and waring with others just the same as the whites do now,but thats different somehow?whites migrate due to vacation spots or oil prices or where mcdonalds will do good and this is right?White man didnt 'gain' anything...he stole it over dead bodies.Deny that and I will call you a liar to your face.I am done.
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Post by Urumii-Previously ThePresident on Jun 27, 2007 5:56:19 GMT -5
I think we have reached a point of hostility here, and as I said in my very first post, I would like this to be a safe place to express your opinions. So Red and beer, try and calm down a little please. I am not saying your opinions are wrong, they are just being asserted a little too hard. Both are valid, and I can see both sides of them.
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Post by vinsanity on Jun 27, 2007 7:05:56 GMT -5
Pres, I agree with your comments.
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desmo2
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Post by desmo2 on Jun 27, 2007 7:52:20 GMT -5
Several of the debates here lately have become a bit personal and hostile. I'd hate to think our interaction during a game might be tainted by something written in these forums. Lamron created the forums with the intent of sharing game ideas and bantering about in a friendly manner.
'Debating' about politics and religion is just opening the door for personal attacks. It's a rare thing for political debate between two people to actually change one of the pair's view. Political beliefs are adopted through years of upbringing, media exposure, literature, and peer influence. Those beliefs are usually pretty solidly rooted by the time we get to the average LP player's age.
I haven't participated in the debates up to this point because I figured things would turn nasty, and they have. Some might say I'm just 'skeered'. Ha! No, I have certainly had my share of political debate, usually accompanied with raised voice and sometimes flying spittle. I just chose not to engage in that here, as I don't feel a gaming community is the proper arena for it.
Desmo's opinion, your mileage may vary.
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