RedRock
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Post by RedRock on Jul 27, 2008 13:20:43 GMT -5
Give me a break. If they're here illegally, THEY chose to become a felon, we didn't make them! And THEY chose to take a hard job knowing that the employer wouldn't turn them in but also wouldn't necessarily give them a wonderful job or benefits or great place to work! And unfortunately, but that's life, when you break the law and get caught, frequently your loved ones and dependents suffer, too! Too bad, your fault and your fault alone! And these raids are not for the immediate benefit of the "community," they're for the overall long-term benefit of the whole country!!! The "community" is, in fact, partly to blame by tolerating or tacitly approving of the shennanigans! And once again, it's big government, ala some minority congressmen riding in from out of town and naming groups of people as victims and lawbreakers as the good guys, who are going to set things to rights and provide "joostice to the pipples!" And "dozens" of residents protested??? Where are the hundreds and thousands of the residents who know it's right and should be applauding it??? Whiners! apnews1.iwon.com/article/20080727/D925S5MO0.html
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Post by Lamron on Jul 27, 2008 14:21:43 GMT -5
Cry me a river. If we're not going to shoot these invaders at the border, the least we could do is have manditory jail time for all elected officials, law enforcement, employers, and anyone else in this town that is an accesory to the crime of letting these people live there.
The mayor is complaining about people suffering. No, you haven't suffered nearly enough for your crimes.
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 27, 2008 16:44:26 GMT -5
I am in total agreement that these illegals must go. ANY illegals found should be collected and deported, period. There are legal ways to enter this nation if you wish to do so. By entering the nation illegally you show no respect for yourself, the legal immigrants before you, or the nation you are invading.
Over the July 4th holiday I learned that my new brother in law is an illegal from Canada. I wondered why they insisted on marrying in Costa Rica, now I know. He cannot get a marraige license in the USA. I threw him out of our home and reported him to ICE and local law enforcement. They high tailed it back to NYC where they live. I have caused a huge riff in the family by doing this, but I refuse to harbor an illegal, let alone feed him. Especially during a celebration of our nation's independence. He works as a bartender in NYC for cash. He has been here for three years. Came in on a tourist visa and never went back to Montreal, Canada. I should have just shot him.
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Post by Death's Shadow on Jul 27, 2008 17:47:39 GMT -5
I live about 90 miles from that town were the raid went down. It has been in the paper a few times ( the liberal rag that we have here). The paper whining and telling everyone how unfair it was to destroy the town's economy by deporting 70% of the residents that lived there.
I am of the opinion the town got what they deserved. The employer should not have hired them, land lords should not have rented to them, the mayor should have run them out of town or called INS himself. The lot of them should be in jail.
I do not shed a tear for the children of the illegals that are citizens just because they were born here. I say give them back to the parents and let them take the kids back with them. We need to get rid of that law that lets any kid born on US soil be automatically a citizen. This is just stupid. If both of your parents are not citizens then the child should not get auto citizenship.
Vin...
I am sorry for the rift in your family due to this issue. It sucks. It could not have been easy to do that. Even though it was the right thing. Props to ya.
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 28, 2008 7:54:31 GMT -5
I live about 90 miles from that town were the raid went down. It has been in the paper a few times ( the liberal rag that we have here). The paper whining and telling everyone how unfair it was to destroy the town's economy by deporting 70% of the residents that lived there. I am of the opinion the town got what they deserved. The employer should not have hired them, land lords should not have rented to them, the mayor should have run them out of town or called INS himself. The lot of them should be in jail. I do not shed a tear for the children of the illegals that are citizens just because they were born here. I say give them back to the parents and let them take the kids back with them. We need to get rid of that law that lets any kid born on US soil be automatically a citizen. This is just stupid. If both of your parents are not citizens then the child should not get auto citizenship. Vin... I am sorry for the rift in your family due to this issue. It sucks. It could not have been easy to do that. Even though it was the right thing. Props to ya. I do think that anyone born here should be a citizen. That is how I became a citizen here As to the problem in my own family, it was the right thing to do. Screw any of them that disagree. The main issue was that I "ruined" the 4th festivities, a really big deal to my in-laws. After speaking to most of the family since then, the vast majority now agree that he is no different than the Hispanic illegals that they ALL complain about all the time. I suspect that because he is white that they just didn't see him as an illegal. The do now. Of course, my NYC cousin will not be bringing him back down here
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Post by Lamron on Jul 28, 2008 9:28:41 GMT -5
That's a good point. We probably don't know how many Canadian illegals are around. Being white and speaking English makes them a lot less noticable.
Doesn't marrying an American make him legal to stay now?
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RedRock
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Post by RedRock on Jul 28, 2008 11:28:03 GMT -5
There are still hoops to jump through when marrying an American--it's not automatic to get citizenship for that reason alone. Here is one answer from Wiki ( wiki.answers.com/Q/FAQ/1882 ): The official US Gov. site ( www.uscitizenship.info/ ) also lists some marriage qualifications:
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Post by Pvt._Michaels on Jul 28, 2008 11:29:24 GMT -5
Warning: Ranting to follow!
Iowa or San Francisco...no difference in the way the activists work the "victimology".....
The big city, "sanctuary city" activists swoop into the little Iowa town, seduce the small town media to manufacture & scoop sob stories; then the activists contrive to proliferate the sob stories into MSM, press releases, wire services .....etc. As far as I'm concerned illegal felons made a decision to conspire with other felons ( the employers ) to break lots of laws on the books. A tax payer revolt is in order at the local, state, federal levels. RICO laws should apply. Enforce RICO & immigration law or no more taxes from those of us who pay ALL of the bills. An economy built on ILLEGAL immigration activity is not a reality based economy!
I'd rather pay $12 for a hamburger or $5.00 for lettuce than be a willing accomplice in undermining the economy. When politicians and activist judges decide what laws are to be enforced and which are not to be enforced; then, those of us who ACTUALLY PAY FOR EVERYTHING need to take a stand & not pay for ANYTHING until they all agree to do the PEOPLE'S BIDDING!
The US government is effectively a bankrupt, unfunded liability at this point. Time to realize that you and your children are paying for illegals, mortgage slackers, no-new drilling policies, foreign aid, and countless other policies that we cannot afford. The country's infrastructure is falling apart, we manufacture virtually nothing anymore, our once powerful technology engine is being dismantled by Asian reverse engineering, shall I go on?
remember the line from Spock in his death scene in the Star Trek movie?
"The good of the Many, out weighs the Good of the Few"
Right now the "FEW" are the politicians, judges, criminals, bureaucrats, & trial lawyers ...... The rest of us are the Many....
Time to make tough choices......because the FEW are the enemy right now.
The Pvt
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Post by RedRock on Jul 28, 2008 11:40:27 GMT -5
I do think that anyone born here should be a citizen. That is how I became a citizen here Vinnie, are you saying your parents were illegals? If your parents were legal citizens before you were born, then your birth of course makes you a citizen, no one is disputing that. However, many of us believe that, given the current flood of illegals and their US-born offspring here (some now attending college on our dime and having 3rd or more generations), that birth alone should not be a qualifier, that your parents should be legal citizens BEFORE you are born.
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 28, 2008 18:11:17 GMT -5
That's a good point. We probably don't know how many Canadian illegals are around. Being white and speaking English makes them a lot less noticable. Doesn't marrying an American make him legal to stay now? The answer is no, with few exceptions (none of which he meets.) It turnes out that their Costa Rican wedding is not honored in the State of New York. So they are not oficially married. Great news EXCEPT that she is pregnant with his child. The child will be a citizen even though the father is not. I still say I should have just shot him.
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 28, 2008 18:13:37 GMT -5
I do think that anyone born here should be a citizen. That is how I became a citizen here Vinnie, are you saying your parents were illegals? If your parents were legal citizens before you were born, then your birth of course makes you a citizen, no one is disputing that. However, many of us believe that, given the current flood of illegals and their US-born offspring here (some now attending college on our dime and having 3rd or more generations), that birth alone should not be a qualifier, that your parents should be legal citizens BEFORE you are born. Red... no no no ... I am saying that I am an American by birth solely becasue I was born here. My parents were as well. BUT I do feel that ANYONE born here should be a US citizen becasue they were born here. If the parent or parents were illegal they should NOT however receive special consideration just becasue the kid spit out on this side of the border.
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Post by Death's Shadow on Jul 28, 2008 18:24:47 GMT -5
I do not even mind if legal immigrants want their children born here to be citizens. But they should become citizens first then fill out the paper work to make their minor children citizens now that they obtained the status.
What I have a problem with is boarder sneaking pregnant women waiting until 2 weeks before due date then crossing the border to pop out the kid and get it citizenship. Then the kid is eligible for all the social programs.
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Post by Lamron on Jul 28, 2008 23:15:58 GMT -5
Not to mention that the mother is now allowed to stay with her "anchor baby".
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Post by a Silly Person on Jul 29, 2008 1:48:31 GMT -5
The anchor baby concept is a joke.
Let's say that My wife and myself go on a trip to vacation in another country while my wife is pregnant. Lo and behold my wife goes into labor while we are legally visiting that country and our baby is born there.
How does this qualify our baby to be a citizen of that country?
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Post by vinsanity on Jul 29, 2008 7:00:53 GMT -5
In most cases that does qualify your baby for citizenship there. My aunt is from Australia. She has been living and working in this country for decades as she married my uncle, a native born American. She is not a US citizen but legally here. When both of their children were born they legally were citizens of both the USA and Australia. They had until their majority to choose citizenship of either nation OR to choose dual citizenship.
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