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Post by Major_A on Aug 21, 2011 19:40:06 GMT -5
I was revisiting some of my Justice League cartoons since I'd gotten the UPnP streaming setup on my media server and something I'd never noticed before but I heard what I thought was another Nathan Fillion voice over and sure enough, he plays Vigilante on the Justice League series. No biggie, Just something I thought was neat I'd discovered.  |
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Post by RedRock on Aug 22, 2011 11:06:53 GMT -5
Which one is Vigilante in that picture?
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Post by Major_A on Aug 22, 2011 16:47:08 GMT -5
LOL, cowboy.
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Post by RedRock on Aug 23, 2011 15:04:28 GMT -5
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Post by Major_A on Aug 31, 2011 19:26:23 GMT -5
Well, I missed the original airdate of the
Sons of Guns - suppressed grenade launcher episode,
but they did it in case no one else saw it ....awesome!
Here is the suppressed shotgun episode.
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3 parts to this episode, this is part 1... 2 & 3 are on the right.
Helicopters and Uzi's ;D
NEW episode tonight...The Taser Shotgun
Discovery Channel
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Post by RedRock on Sept 1, 2011 1:07:55 GMT -5
RE: Suppressed shotty--Nice! I wonder, does anyone know, does the suppressor cut down the muzzle velocity much?
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Post by Lamron on Sept 1, 2011 8:22:01 GMT -5
That show is an embarassment to manufacturers and gunowners everywhere. Every week those retards who barely know which end of a tool to hold "invent" some new "game changer" that's been commonly available for 30+ years. And then they act all proud of how awesome they are while breaking every safety rule there is.
They keep showing one of their fake customers come in and ask for something, and then a week later walk out with their new machine gun (completey illegal) or suppressed gun (several months of paperwork).
Everything about that show is completely misleading to non-gun people, or rediculous to anyone who knows about guns. Several of the gun forums have weekly threads for concentrated SOG hatred.
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Post by Major_A on Sept 1, 2011 21:49:58 GMT -5
wow, had no idea so many disliked the show. I myself don't know the whens of certain items were first made and my gun knowledge of what is called what is limited to what I own, fired and what I see in movies and what not. The first I've heard of a silenced shotgun and grenade launcher was this show, I just never knew what's already been done. Having said that though, if it wasn't for the show I probly never would have heard of a master key though. I just found the show entertaining. sure is alot of people with dislike on the discovery blog though. blogs.discovery.com/discovery-insider/2011/01/new-show-sons-of-guns.htmlcould you post some links from places you've been, I'm curious to read more. |
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Post by RedRock on Sept 1, 2011 23:23:27 GMT -5
If you already have your nonrevocable trust established (I think that's what it is) and have no problem getting your local chief law enforcement officer to sign off on your paperwork, it shouldn't take months and months to get a silencer or full auto weapon purchased. Right?
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Post by Lamron on Sept 2, 2011 5:24:50 GMT -5
This quote ripped from the Discovery site pretty much says it all: Here's the video of them "inventing" the "Masterkey", going bravely forth "where no one has gone before". Notice the blank stoner stares from his employees, like this is something new and amazing. This is from one of their first shows, mainly they (poorly) reinvent/copy existing designs, or build crazy stupid things nobody would want. dsc.discovery.com/videos/sons-of-guns-master-key-breaching-gun.htmlHere's the product page for Knight's Armament, the inventor 30+ years ago, and owner of the "Masterkey" name. www.knightarmco.com/m203_12ga.htmlYou'll also notice that they frequently use the wrong name for items, or the one gun they're working on is actually different guns throughout the episode. There were at least three different guns shown in the Thompson SMG episode. In another they ordered a 37mm flare launcher (paid WAY too much for it) and repeatedly called it a "grenade launcher". This is not an unimportant distinction! They look the same externally, but their depiction was very misleading. They make it look like any redneck can have his retard daughter order one for him. 37mm Flare Launcher: - About $400 - No ownership restrictions, can be shipped directly to you - Ammo (relatively) inexpensive and available, can be shipped directly to you. M203 Grenade Launcher: - About $2000 + $200 ATF tax stamp, paperwork, wait time - Ammo is unavailable +$200 ATF tax stamp for EACH ROUND. If you already have your nonrevocable trust established (I think that's what it is) and have no problem getting your local chief law enforcement officer to sign off on your paperwork, it shouldn't take months and months to get a silencer or full auto weapon purchased. Right? Its actually a "Revocable Living Trust", and if you go that route you don't need the CLEO sign off at all. The ATF states that their goal is four months for processing the paperwork. And there is no such thing as a NEW transferable full auto weapon. They had to be manufactured and registered BEFORE 1986. That's why a M11 SWD that used to sell for $150 is now about $4500, and a HK MP5SD is almost $20,000. However many exist now is all there ever will be. They are a licensed manufacturer, so they can make anything they want under the theory that they are building demo models for sale to government buyers. So you can't actually buy their full-auto projects like the one where they linked three M16s together. Civilian transferable M16s run about $18,000-$25,000 a piece (X3). They can build non-transferable "demo" models for about $500 each. |
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Post by Major_A on Sept 2, 2011 13:07:51 GMT -5
"No entry team in their right mind would use their ripped off "master key"
I actually saw that episode. The video in the master key link only shows part of what was said and I can see how that makes it misleading.
The master key video shows him in the shop telling them they are going to do it with the saiaga or whatever it's called and it hadn't been done with that before.
That's the way I took it because before that conversation he was in the store front where he said "They used to do whats called a master key " blah blah blah with a pump" whatever model.
it's here at about 3:00
"It's jerry-rigged gunsmithing."
It was my impression that that's what gunsmithing was, was modding guns.
"A chopped up saiga 12 underslung on an AR is a terrible idea." by who's standards?
to me that really comes off as an opinion, but then again I've never had the pleasure of shooting either one so I myself can't form that opinion.
As far as the unsafe and dangerous stuff goes, I honestly havn't seen them do anything that Mythbusters hasn't done.
"They don't do any original work."
They just made a custom shoulder stock for a desert eagle for some lady.
I've seen it done to lots of pistols, but me personally never a desert eagle.
"They're are much better custom shops out there for saiga 12s like Peach State guns, Tromix, or E-Tac."
Do they have a TV show? I've never seen their work.
I'm sure there is other things about the show that people don't like
but to me it's entertaining, and even if things have been done before,
I've never seen it done, and probly never would have had it not been
for the show in the first place.
That's my take on the show, I'm just sayin'
You know way more about the specifics of gun stuff eg prices and such
and whats what just by getting a glimpse of something.
btw, which episode was the 37mm Flare Launcher in?
I need to see it, I don't know anything about that episode.
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Post by RedRock on Sept 2, 2011 15:39:30 GMT -5
At the recent Friends of the NRA dinner here, one auction item was a new Ruger Mark III AND well-built silencer AND the lawyer's legal fees to file the paperwork, and I just almost went for it. The lawyer fees alone are estimated at $650 for the necessary trust establishment, etc., and the gun + silencer + lawyer package went for $1200 as I recall. If my wife hadn't been with me...............maybe. I think $1200 was a good deal for it all.
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Post by RedRock on Sept 2, 2011 15:46:53 GMT -5
Its actually a "Revocable Living Trust", and if you go that route you don't need the CLEO sign off at all. The ATF states that their goal is four months for processing the paperwork. And there is no such thing as a NEW transferable full auto weapon. They had to be manufactured and registered BEFORE 1986. That's why a M11 SWD that used to sell for $150 is now about $4500, and a HK MP5SD is almost $20,000. However many exist now is all there ever will be. Right, I actually knew all that, I was just too lazy to look up the correct terms, and I recall that Lamron explained all that before (at least once). I've considered doing it and getting a nice full auto weapon, but it's too much $$$ right now in this economy for me. My friends at the gun club who do have the $$$ are having a blast right now, however, and they've seen the $25-35,000 weapons come down to the $9-$12 range as people sell their guns for living expenses. I've seen some full autos on GB recently in the $3k range--nothing I'd want to own myself, but I know they're out there. An older colleague/friend of mine has hinted that he will leave me his Uzi 9mm smg (full auto) when he passes (and he's not well now), so I've wondered about going ahead and setting up my trust just so I'll be ready or so I can buy a silencer or silenced weapon in the near-future (I just recently saw a cool Browning take-down 22-auto with built-in silencer hidden in the forestock, and was tempted, for example). |
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Post by Major_A on Sept 2, 2011 18:02:56 GMT -5
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Post by Lamron on Sept 2, 2011 21:03:31 GMT -5
They just made a custom shoulder stock for a desert eagle for some lady. I've seen it done to lots of pistols, but me personally never a desert eagle. I had to dig deep to find that video. Discovery has been aggresively it removing from their website and everywhere else because of the embarrassment. Pay attention at 1:25 where the Desert Eagle magically becomes a Berretta 92 and she pretends like it has heavy recoil. And again, no mention to the "customer" that this add-on was going to require a $200 tax stamp, four month wait, or that she has to secure it so her husband has no access to it, etc. Here it is: www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ef_1314692119Here's what people are saying about it: www.google.com/search?q=sons+of+guns+desert+eagle |
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