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Post by vinsanity on May 1, 2008 12:10:51 GMT -5
It is not an issue of heat in the kitchen but intolerance of others and their opinions that I find lackluster in these discussion. And frankly it is not the first time this has been an issue. In fact, it has been problematic for a couple of years now. I keep thinking that I am misinterpreting your comments, but I no longer care. The effort to have intelligent conversation is not worth the arguing and disrespect. You really need to learn that other people's thoughts and opinions matter, even if you differ with them, but at 50 I doubt that will occur. Your basic lack of civility is where the problem lies. You seem to enjoy being condescending, I pity that as you are obviously intelligent. I am not the only one with this issue with you but most will not speak their mind as it is easier to ignore the issue than to confront it. So to prevent the issues from taking place in the future I suppose I will not participate in discussions of issues that could get deeply involved. The sad thing is that I really enjoy many of our discussions. Perhaps in time I will feel differently... and maybe you will too. Be well. You may say anything you wish from this point on, I will not be responding. Oh that all sounds so fair, and mature, and civil. All of that, and honest.
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Post by I...Died...Again!!! on May 1, 2008 13:23:58 GMT -5
In my Opinion by removing the flag, they did disgrace both the flag and the image. However this image has a very questionable past. Defacing the flag and defacing the president are not even closely related. The flag is a symbol of our freedom and I will honor it as all those brave men and women who died to give me those freedoms. Would you be offended if they had the image of The Tomb of The Unknowns flag pole replaced with a tree? If so then why is this not offensive to you? If not then there are other issues at work here that I shall not attempt to address. i find it sickening to attend a parade where everyone remains seated while the flag passes to start the festivities. As cliche as it may be This is our country today.
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Post by Death's Shadow on May 1, 2008 14:29:41 GMT -5
I could not agree more IDA..
The flag is a symbol of our freedom and those that gave their lives so that we might live free. ANY defamation of the flag angers me.
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Post by vinsanity on May 1, 2008 14:41:51 GMT -5
I am in 100% agreement on that point also.
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Post by Garp {eng} on May 1, 2008 14:57:17 GMT -5
Just when you think they can't stoop any lower, now they're comparing their global warming hoax to a real war with real people involved that actually mattered. Why can't we stop these people? Not being American I can't comment on the flag aguments or passion but would just like to say: Hoax?? Real people?? Floods kill real people? Real people will be affected by global warming or climate change real people on this planet are polluting the earth with oil spills, toxic gases, rubbish, and fallout? so if global warming is a hoax? is the polluction a hoax to? maybe the wording is incorrect but the damage is not :-) Its not who you vote for or what ethnic background you happen to be thats the problem, its just that we're human and don't care about this ball of dirt we live on anymore, because we care more about our comforts (yes me as well) and borders and power one nation can weiled over another than the planet we ARE slowly destroying. No matter what name you give this distruction it IS real and affects real people. Have a nice day.
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Post by vinsanity on May 1, 2008 15:01:52 GMT -5
Nice to hear form you Garpy... by the way, how's your ticker doing since the heart attack??
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Post by I...Died...Again!!! on May 1, 2008 15:39:29 GMT -5
As I said I think that we all have the obligation to do what we are willing to do to make this big marble a better place. I think there are many other pictures that could have been used to far better depict the topic.
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Post by Death's Shadow on May 1, 2008 15:49:45 GMT -5
Garp I invite you to come live in Northern Iowa. As I sit here writting this post I have my wood stove going full blast to keep me warm. Today is May 1st. I usually no longer need it after the 1st week of April at the latest. Where is all this warming you are talking about. I also invite you to check you to check out the link I posted earlier in this thread way back before we wondered off topic. I was asked to provide scientific proof of my view point and I have. here is the link again. www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/warmingeditorial.htmlAfter I posted this the subject was quickly changed.
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Post by Urumii-Previously ThePresident on May 1, 2008 17:47:45 GMT -5
I am also opting out of this discussion for the same reasons as Vinny. I had to stay away from the LP forums for a few days because I was so disgusted by Lamrons post awhile ago.
And now the things that Redrock has said in regards to Vinny's observation of disrespect. And beers views. Mostly everyone clearly states their opinion, and their reasons behind it, while not offending anyone. But Redrock, and sometimes Lamron will go the step further and make us "Liberals" out to be country hating, progress hating, world destroying monsters. And I for one will not tolerate that anymore. I have a RIGHT to my opinions, as all of you do. And while you may have the RIGHT to make such comments to me, vinny and beer, you should have the MORALITY not to.
I feel I have been very civil in all our discussions. I have stated my views, the reasons why I believe in them and never attacked anyone personally or attacked a group of people. But you Redrock, have gone too far and completely ruined this discussion for me. I was willing to listen to all of your arguments, completely willing to read your sources. But instead you have attacked us, and as far as I can see you enjoyed doing so. It wasn't the way you talk normally, you actually went out of your way to say those things to raise our blood pressure. You must feel really proud that you attacked Beer so much he deleted his profile. He was a really cool guy, never had a bad thing to say about anybody. Just wanted to play MoH while sippin a beer.
So as of now, I am not participating in this thread. I will read any arguments DS, Pvt, Redrock etc want to post. But I will not acknowledge them in this thread. I would still like to know why all of you believe its a hoax, so please show me. I admit I am not perfect, which is why I am willing to change my opinions. But I need good reason to do so.
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Post by vinsanity on May 1, 2008 18:29:32 GMT -5
Beer deleted his profile?
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Post by Urumii-Previously ThePresident on May 1, 2008 18:33:35 GMT -5
It appears so. He was really angry about the posts last night in MoH. And there are now only 113 profiles, and under his name is Guest, with no picture. And in the shoubox he said been fun... seeya. All pointing to the conclusion that he deleted it.
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Post by Death's Shadow on May 1, 2008 18:41:06 GMT -5
When confronted with the facts most liberals do cry unfair. There was not one thing wrong with Lamron's post. He stated his view point just the same as everyone else here. As for beer bailing that was his choice. You and only you have control of how you feel. No one can make you feel anything.
As for the link you have asked for and received twice now in this thread. I have not heard your counter to it. Instead the ones that support the GW fairy tale post drama to divert the subject of this thread.
Just my honest opinion on the matter.
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Post by Urumii-Previously ThePresident on May 1, 2008 19:23:56 GMT -5
I hope some of these people have the good graces to be suicidally ashamed You think I should commit suicide? This is exactly what I, and vinny are talking about. While you all have the right to say these things. It is not helping anything. And is in my opinion WRONG to say. You shouldn't be able to say my opinion is grounds for killing myself because you think it is wrong. That is downright disgusting to me. There isn't a person I know who will EVER be convinced of ANYTHING with that kind of talk. And that seems to be the only way Redrock and Lamron have to try and convince me of anything. By saying that, he has attacked Vinny, Garp and I directly. He has attacked much of the American public, much of Europe, much of the world in general. He says these scientist want to kill off 95% of the population. Well by saying people like me should kill themselves, he has just said he would like (I Don't know the exact numbers) 60% (maybe?) of the population to kill themselves. How is that a valid and acceptable argument? It certainly didn't help change my mind. DS, you are right to say that he was expressing his opinion like everybody else. But he was doing so by attacking us, not trying to convince us. And even if there was nothing wrong, it made me mad either way. And I refuse to partake in any discussion where the other side would like to see me dead. Or who judges my character solely because I do not see their side when they have not givin me good reason to see their side. This is what Lamron and Redrock do frequently. I am only 19 years old, and admit I am not infallible. But I strive to understand the world around me, unlike most Americans these days. And especially young Americans like me. I try to find both sides of an issue, and try to disprove each side through research before I form my opinion. And to have my opinions attacked, and myself attacked in the ways Red and Lam do is very frustrating. It is perfectly acceptable to think my opinions are wrong, and it is acceptable to try and show me why they are wrong. It is not acceptable to attack a persons opinions and make them feel like sh!t because of what has been said. I hope what I have said has further explained my frustrations with not just Lam and Red, but many Liberals and Conservatives alike.
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Post by Urumii-Previously ThePresident on May 1, 2008 19:31:25 GMT -5
I am still reading that article DS. I have not ignored it, and I have not tried to change the subject. I have not cried unfair to try and divert attention. I have "cried unfair" to try and open the eyes of some people so they can have a civil discussion. One where I express my opinion, they express theirs and attempt to disprove mine, and back and forth until hopefully we come to a conclusion. Not one where I express my opinion, and I immediately get bashed and attacked with black and white, generalized and disrespectful comments.
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Post by Death's Shadow on May 1, 2008 20:03:21 GMT -5
Science is black and white. To live in the gray area is to invite disaster. I believe you took that quote from Lam out of context. He was referring to the so called scientists that push this theory of theirs on the rest of us. I am a very black and white type of person. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Period.
Euro politics are a major part of the GW fairy tale problem.
Again I will say no one is responsible for the way you feel but you. You are the only one that can decide to take offence, get mad, glad, or sad.
I think you will find in life that if some one finds out you will get upset if things you dont like are said, they will do it every time to throw you off your game. Whether it is in a game, in business, or in a discussion on a forum board.
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